Topic: 1 ton continues (Read 95116 times)

Ezz · « **Reply #400 on:** April 16, 2016, 01:28:29 PM »

What size did you get, would you say they are perfect for the job?

wildwood · « **Reply #401 on:** April 16, 2016, 02:30:52 PM »

B42 17mm 1067mm

Work well 4 cost me £23 or similar I think.....

As Ian said they work as anti-cone if you stick to 10 ft lb and hopefully keep the mud out....

Ezz · « **Reply #402 on:** April 16, 2016, 04:09:41 PM »

Tar very muchly youth

Widjeeper62 · « **Reply #403 on:** April 22, 2016, 09:54:03 PM »

Quote from: Ezz on April 05, 2016, 07:46:22 AM

http://www.quadratec.com/products/92803_5941.htm

These are what you want Chris, both beads are locked

What do you think of the Method 105 beadlock ? They are $145/wheel cheaper than the Hutchinson and they look good.

http://www.methodracewheels.com/collections/race-wheels/products/105-beadlock-machined

wildwood · « **Reply #404 on:** April 23, 2016, 12:32:18 AM »

Says they are lightweight......that's got to be a good thing

Ezz · « **Reply #405 on:** April 23, 2016, 01:24:33 PM »

Only single outer beadlock tho, but they look OK to me..

wildwood · « **Reply #406 on:** April 23, 2016, 01:41:40 PM »

They will still be spendy.... Cheapest ones I found were Allied at $236.54 each still£££££by the time they get here......

Just had mine sitting in the workshop for a week....... Got a slow one on one of them so stripped and dealt with this morning.......so close

Ezz · « **Reply #407 on:** April 23, 2016, 01:48:03 PM »

You've had a mare with getting them air tight, not finished mine yet, still got a bit of grinding and cleaning up before I can paint them, I'm hoping they are air tight first time but reading about your woes, I'm not so confident...

Widjeeper62 · « **Reply #408 on:** April 23, 2016, 02:13:39 PM »

Quote from: Ezz on April 23, 2016, 01:24:33 PM

Only single outer beadlock tho, but they look OK to me..

Excuse my ignorance here once again. Are you building your wheels with inner beadlock as well as outer?

Is it what's required to lower air pressure really low?

Widjeeper62 · « **Reply #409 on:** April 23, 2016, 02:18:52 PM »

Quote from: wildwood on April 23, 2016, 01:41:40 PM

They will still be spendy.... Cheapest ones I found were Allied at $236.54 each still£££££by the time they get here......

Just had mine sitting in the workshop for a week....... Got a slow one on one of them so stripped and dealt with this morning.......so close

Did you find the Method 105 beadlock at $236.54 ? Northridge got them for JK at $338.

wildwood · « **Reply #410 on:** April 23, 2016, 02:32:39 PM »

Quote from: Ezz on April 23, 2016, 01:48:03 PM

You've had a mare with getting them air tight, not finished mine yet, still got a bit of grinding and cleaning up before I can paint them, I'm hoping they are air tight first time but reading about your woes, I'm not so confident...

One was perfect straight off
Second needed a second go
The others two were acceptable but I've got a bit OCD with the front two being good....the two rears will stay up for 3 days and 5 days......

Apparently it's the cold lapping of a MIG weld that causes the leaks......it helps if you go back an inch or two to heat up where you left off.....
Alternatively don't let off......which when going round in circles is hard for an amateur like me......if you had an old hub and a mate to turn it .....'manumatic jig!!' Then that would help....
Or as some welding Nazi on Pirate said do em properly and tig weld them which avoids the cold lapping scenario........

wildwood · « **Reply #411 on:** April 23, 2016, 02:34:04 PM »

Quote from: Widjeeper62 on April 23, 2016, 02:18:52 PM

Quote from: wildwood on April 23, 2016, 01:41:40 PM
They will still be spendy.... Cheapest ones I found were Allied at $236.54 each still£££££by the time they get here......

Just had mine sitting in the workshop for a week....... Got a slow one on one of them so stripped and dealt with this morning.......so close

Did you find the Method 105 beadlock at $236.54 ? Northridge got them for JK at $338.

No Allied Beadlocks are like the one myself and Ez and Ian are building or have built......basic steelies with an outer beadlock.
With single beadlock all day 5psi should be possible......

isle of man · « **Reply #412 on:** April 23, 2016, 05:29:00 PM »

5psi......please, atmospheric is the answer !!

Steps as follows..

Take MOFOing valve innerdes out..
Jack MOFOing truck up..
Take MOFOing valve innards and re-introduce to valve.
And you have optimum pressure to MOFOing tyre.
Release the jack and go play !!

Ezz · « **Reply #413 on:** April 23, 2016, 07:33:09 PM »

That sounds megga low,

At clyro last month I aired down to about 6 psi,(no beadlocks) hardly a noticeable bulge in the tyre but these treps have mega stiff side walls, anyway all was going well until I rolled back into a tree sump, this popped the tyre beads off, I'm not sure if the outer bead came off first and that caused the inner to part, what I'm trying to say is, even if I'd been running my beadlocks the tree stump might of pulled the tyre inner bead off,

That's why I like the spendy hutchenson rock monsters...

isle of man · « **Reply #414 on:** April 23, 2016, 08:43:18 PM »

TUT, TUT, TUT....... Staz my friend is the only answer !!

wildwood · « **Reply #415 on:** April 27, 2016, 10:24:13 AM »

So,all beadlocks hold air........

Last one was my oversight ..... I had some nifty 90 degree valve stems that bolt in.....

And the leak? Well it was because the valve wasn't bolted as tight as it should be.....

Just the clutch to bleed now

wildwood · « **Reply #416 on:** May 08, 2016, 02:34:35 PM »

Clutch bled, wheels nuts torqued......oops nearly forgot that bit.

Drove out of workshop....

Well I did after I cut down the door weatherstripping both sides to give me
a couple of inches extra

Ezz · « **Reply #417 on:** May 08, 2016, 08:34:29 PM »

Does it fit on the 7' wide trailer?

wildwood · « **Reply #418 on:** May 08, 2016, 09:41:24 PM »

My Ifor Williams 177 is86" from edge of wheel track to other edge......had to make mods to get hinged lights out of way when loading though......disc cutter to the rescue

JamesH · « **Reply #419 on:** May 08, 2016, 10:22:18 PM »

In the YJ stakes is probably the only time I'll be skinnier than you Jez!

wildwood · « **Reply #420 on:** May 31, 2016, 04:05:55 PM »

So......let me bore you with tales of beadlocks.....

My welds held up at Breakout

the leak down was OK although the one that had never leaked for 6 weeks in the workshop decided to have a hiss......front left......
All tyres off and cured now........ But a few mods.......I wasn't moving tyres on and off as Occupational therapy.......

The problem was losing the inner bead......WTF......they never tell you any of that on Pirate.....
BUT if you google 'Beadlock loses inner bead'

Oh my god what a world of hurt and billybob shenanigans ......just imagine if you had spent $260 per rim from Allied and as shit load more from other manufacturers and the billy b'stard leaks and burps and loses an inner bead.........

It seems Everyman and his dog has this problem.......some tyres are more prone to this than others and the newish 17" tyres are the culprit.......and Iroks are especially prone......

Guess what tyre I have.......

?

So the fixes are mad as a skunk as well.......RTV sealant of a very Spendy nature..... 3m window tape and stuff......
But the more you read the more this is only a temp fix....... That may last the day???
I am not revealing what I have done but I have a 2 stage plan of attack and the easy one has yet to be tried......but is done......just waiting for a payday at Yarwell to test as its only 18 miles away....if that doesn't work I have the second version of fix to do......
The problem will hopefully be seen if the pics load.
I have shown the H2 Hummer wheel as its easier to see the lines and I have the tyres back on the black beadlocks.......the measurement are the same so apply to both.
Thefirst pic is H.2 wheel
Pic2 is the width of the bead on the inner rim
Pic3 shows the width of the bead that could be retained 17mm
The Irok has a bead bundle of 22mm so is more than 1/2 way up the retainer to start so that why it comes off.
So there you go......
Only doing this now as I should be on a bike going through France......fuel stuff made me reschedule ferry to Spain instead so a few slack days to fill.

Ezz · « **Reply #421 on:** June 01, 2016, 10:40:23 AM »

I feel your pain Jez, I've almost given up on my diy beadlocks before they're even finished, painted and tried out on the jeep, I'm over £300 into them and ready to bin the lot,

A few folk I've spoken to with a similar set up that say they have had no problems with theirs, then I ask what psi they run, most say somewhere between 12 and 20 psi, what's the point in that, I've run my no beadlocks at about 10 for ages and never had a problem..

I'm thinking STAZ time

wildwood · « **Reply #422 on:** June 01, 2016, 11:11:29 AM »

I guess if I sell my H2 rims £200 (my mate came to pick them up after Breakout but I had to backtrack and hold onto them due to the uncertainty) then I am into the beadlocks for £200 . So not so bad just a good few months of R and D on my behalf......

Current fix is to make the tyres tighter on the rim...... So fessing up

here's what I did.
4 wraps of gorilla tape 2" wide to make the beadlock sit tight.......still got to test it out, but Pirate rednecks say it works.
Won't get a chance until July now but if that doesn't work then the final fix is to weld a 4mm steel rod around the inner bead on the rim at the required 22mm distance and to weld on the inner side of the rim to a. Make the tyre airtight for seating the bead and b. Give it a ramp to slide up...
That should work......

I have to say that with the Pirate recommended 4 wraps of Gorrilla tape I had to have my workshop compressor pumping out 125psi and it was a slow but finally very firm seating of the inner rim.

At the end of the day if that doesn't work I shall be binning any winter ideas of a 4 link rear and 3 link front and wadding the money to Staz ......then I could go back to a 5 3/4 backspace that worked well on the H2 rims.

Ezz · « **Reply #423 on:** June 02, 2016, 11:45:07 AM »

I can see that working.. Fingers crossed

wildwood · « **Reply #424 on:** June 02, 2016, 07:28:43 PM »

Just got an email back from John at Staz and 17x10 with a 5" backspace is $415 ..... Each

I now need to sit down and move away from the ' buy it now' button.......

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